Madonna is like Nero; she marks the turning point

[In your 30s] things start losing their profundity; in middle-late age, you enter a tragedian period, realizing that the human animal isn't changing for the better. In a way, I think I entered straight into my tragedian period, as my work is set against the stupid, destructive way we live on this planet. Americans have decided to be stupid and shallow since 1980. Madonna is like Nero; she marks the turning point.

"It's a Joni Mitchell concert, sans Joni", www.latimes.com, 22 April 2010

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